PARKER BARON DABBS

You just cannot help the way you are . Raised by a drunken lazy lying mother . Typical for those who are in this type of dysfunctional living arrangement to excel in other areas , to take the attention off of the slobbering slut always drinking , always getting arrested. That be mommie dearest Gloria Dabbs. Shaking in the mornings, you never knew where she was or when she’d come home . Barry was the Rock. CPS called all the time , neighbors knew . Court ordered work, her temp boss he knew. She even conned that poor man out of money be hauling your butt in their to tell him how you ‘succeeded’. Just like Whoria succeeded , the corrupt board of nursing played right into her hands.

Some day you will sort out the lies, the corrupt bd never could . Stupid one sided thinkers only wanted to save one of the bd members hospital . No matter what.

Ever wonder how Whore got that house ? Ever wonder why William was devastated and she used him. Ever wonder why sis told Whoria if she shows up at her wedding she will call the police ?

One thing Parker , your grandmother was abused for years by loud mouth drunk, and what did you do ? You know it was not a good set up ! Whoria Bar hopping while she was alone . Whoria never could stand anyone to succeed , she was elated when the license went . You might have license someday too . Would Whoria got to court to try to destroy your career ? Grandma said and did what she could to survive . I hope you enjoy what ever you get off of Gloria the lying drunk, you cheated some decent folks out of what they would have gotten . Just hope that the state doesn’t pay for her alcohol induced hepatitis . And those cigarettes well she deserves what ever she gets there.

Oh be sure and ask about the process server Whoira was avoiding ! A hoot, she hide in the house, they called the police when she had to get groceries or melt, the process server told the cops what they were there for told her to come out, and she got served . FUNNY , now when she lies about that , ask her why she was HIDING !!! Oh and then ask her about the 25k she stole from her dad’s place . Oh yea you got ripped off with a mother like that !! ( Her and the Board of Nursing are like twins ! no wonder they hooked up , and Elizabeth Campbell too ! Nikki Austin oh yea , she was going to do what her dir wanted , take her down .

IF you think for one minute a dirty board will take a license for no reason, you are still uneducated . Study up . Take care of your sister , your drunken whore mother favored you over her , sad . Actually Whore is depending on YOU to support her . You know she is so lazy she never got 10 years in to draw unemployment . But her lies can put a good nurse out of a career.

Sad life, people like her only destroy lives , but so does the board of nursing that’ is why they made such a team . Yup they player in to her cards for sure , sad she was so abusive to grandma, don’t think it did not take every avenue to stop it . Oh and the creep who contacted her, is another drunk , yup both sociopaths. Remember !!! Whoria is the one who got into my business , she is the one who went to extremes, she was ‘witness ‘ to nothing ! I had nothing to do with her , but she could call names , and that’s what this dirty board wanted. Oh and ask her when is the last time she and Audrey got together HAHAHA .

ARIZONA BOARD OF NURSING

Add your complaint here , send a copy to the news media . Gov. Ducey does not have any control over them , he said. If the agency is like this do you really want to work in AZ as a nurse ?. BTW if you attend board meetings (mandatory as a student) all the talk about is the nurse following up on time. Never mind they lose paperwork, do not answer the phone, transfer you to a phone line full of messages no one answers , and you are on hold HOURS , not minutes HOURS . And in person they will steal your credit card information use it and say ‘nothing we can do , no proof” although their Board cases there is no proof of anything , just ‘reasonable ” . IF a board does not answer the phone, and a nurse needs an answer to a clinical question, how are these incompetents protecting the public ???

ACTUAL CUSTOMERS OF THE BON ::
tried calling twice. The first time I waited 30 minutes on hold with no response. The second time I waited 1hr and 15 minutes and spent about 2 minutes talking to the representative on the phone. I got my questions answered but the representative had no sympathy that I had to wait that long to speak to her for 2 minutes. I have been waiting a month and half to get approved so I can take the NCLEX and nothing yet. I have had classmates already take their exam and pass in Oregon with no problem and here I am a sitting duck.

Blue Collar Beard Co1 review2 years agoIve been waiting months for my CNA endorsement. ive made numerous calls to get an update and get a different answer every time. was told “it will be done by feb first”… it isnt. called again and had them tell me “we are just too busy. it will get done when it gets done.” Asked for my money back because at this point i will find another job. wont refund my money, so essentially, they were paid to do a job in which they arent doing. total joke

each time i sat on hold for OVER AN HOUR. Most recently, an hour and 26 minutes

.Britney Heidemann3 reviews2 years agoHave not had a good experience with them.
1st contact – didn’t take my paperwork. Set me back 2 weeks.
2nd contact – didn’t give me a copy of my paperwork. Still struggling to get it.
3rd contact – called to request copy of paperwork. Guy had no idea what I was talking about. Said he’d speak with a supervisor then call me back. Never called me back.
4th contact – on phone for 20+ minutes, never spoke to a soul.
5th contact – went to office for paperwork. Lady didn’t know what I was talking about but took my info and would speak with someone. No results.
6th contact – lady told me I didn’t need certain paperwork to send with an application. Doubt that’s true.
7th contact – currently on phone with them to verify what lady told me. It’s been an hour. Haven’t spoken to anyone. Do people actually work there?

Just NoraLocal ThanksJJI DD1 review4 years ago If there was an option for 0 stars, totally would.

Trying to get a hold of someone if pretty much impossible. Supposed to be …MoreB Galini3 reviews2 years ago DON”T GET A LICENSE in this state. It’s horribly corrupt. You’ll lose it faster than you can blink while being charged with fake complaints that you will NEVER get out from under on.

Mary Brevik1 review2 years agoI agree that web site and the phone communication is not clear at all. The staff sound bored on the phone and audibly sigh when a question is asked that needs clarification.

Yuliya Dreyer4 reviews2 years agoThis web site is not user friendly
No iPad or mobile device??? I have to own a computer to renew???Jake Anderson1 review2 years agoI’ve been on hold for an hour now just to ask them some information about my CNA renewal. How does this department even function???

Diane Wilson2 reviews2 years agoI applied for an LNA and they did not notify me of what they needed from me until I have waited 5 months for them to process my application. I’m still trying to get my LNA but the Board is very slow, it has now been almost a YEAR! Calling them on the phone is another nightmare in of itself. The people on their lines also do not know how to give out clear information.DeNice5 reviews2 years agoMoving from out of state and wanted to begin endorsement process early. However there were details I could not find on the website. Attempted to contact then and was on the phone three times for 30 minutes each. No answer from staff. Sent email which it took them a week to respond. Horrendous service.

Kimberly D10 reviews4 years ago Each time I have called the AZ state board I have been helped in a positive manner.
Wait time is long, however it depends on the time you call.
Each individual has been very nice. (AZNA member Womack a suck up , there is always one ! ) Even after being screwed over by them ! Decided to use sucking up!

Miram King7 reviews2 years ago Very efficient board.. Got my license to practice done within 2weeks.

Jordan McBride2 reviews2 years ago Waited on the phone to speak to someone for an hour and 20 minutes. The woman was not able to answer the question I called about and then transferred me to someone else’s line, who did not answer, and their mailbox was full. It’s a waste of time to try to contact anybody here.

Rebecca McCullough1 review4 years agoThe Arizona Board of Nursing is a JOKE! Would give a negative star rating if I could. They should embody compassion as nurses are taught. Instead they NEVER answer the phone, and when they find it in their hearts to do so, they are rude and condescending in their response. They do not care, and I have spoken to many new nurses that tell others in the area to go ANYWHERE but Arizona to get licensed, because of their experience with the AZ Board of Nursing. Anyway, if you have to deal with these people GOOD LUCK and God be with you!

Janice WilliamsLocal Guide·12 reviews·4 photos4 years agoCould not of asked for better service. The lady in the office who helped me was very kind, professional and helpful. She was also very patient and helped me get the process going for getting my nursing license.L S1 review3 years agoNo one will answer the phone. No wonder there is a nursing shortage. have tried multiple upon multiple times for information.

Joe RoseberryLocal Guide·14 reviews·1 photo3 years ago Very rude. Must not be a happy place to work! No follow up. You must constantly send emails. Search “Complaints Arizona State Board” and you will get some very surprising information. Does not appear to be professionally run state agency.

Beverly Lawver5 reviews3 years agoSo far, they have been professional and helpful , both on visit and phone.

Kelly CullenLocal Guide·28 reviews·3 photos3 years agoWent today and couldn’t be happier I drove from Tucson. I moved from Minnesota and the ladies in the office were so efficient and helpful with everything I needed to complete for my license!

Brittany Klinger12 reviews3 years agoHorrible experience with the testing procedure for the CNA course. They do no recording of the test results, the test proctor used her husband as the actor and they totally botched the results to steal money from students. Nothing explains an entire class of students failing the non written portion and scoring 80% or above. Nothing can be proven because there is no evidence. However, when told of the possibility that the test proctor may be embezzling money from the students there was no remediation only the student being brushed off and told that she would have to pay another $88 to retake the test. Dispicable.

Maria Sanchez58 reviews3 years ago It’s very hard to get a phone call answer to a live person.Lot of people can’t get to the office expensive to get there.
Thomas Flood7 reviews4 years ago

Lost everything I sent to them. Took days to get anyone to look. Still have not found it. Impossible almost to talk to a real person but that is not surprising since they are Gov. Employees. (note a nurse wrote in another site, that BRENT SUTTER was telling a date that he was throwing faxes in the garbage , and saying “we lost it ” . to frustrate a nurse who is trying to comply. Dirty tricks, shameful ! Another employee willing to do ‘what ever” , oh and he has a felony that go buried !

Dora Dixon2 reviews5 years ago been CNA for 14yrs.. I like what I do, helping patients.. Thank u, AZ state board of nursing for helping me with no problem renewing my certification 🙂

Brooke A Finley10 reviews2 years ago Got an APRN license in less than a month after submitting all required documentation. Initially, I submitted the wrong form online and it was corrected by the staff within a few weeks. (note A FEW WEEKS ! ) hope you got license protection ! pretty sloppy to send the wrong documents !

Tatum2 reviews2 years agoIn November I paid $100 for my LNA, it’s January. I’ve called multiple times with having to wait 45-75 minutes. Honestly I don’t even want my license anymore I just want my money back.

Kenneth W7 reviews3 years agoNO STARS. pretty poor

Paji Hung3 reviews·3 photos3 years agoIf I could I’d like to give only 0 star. The staff on the phone was very rude. The only thing she did was passing the buck to others; she didn’t solve any problem at all. I was stunned by her discourtesy and lack of professionalism.

JustinLocal Guide·8 reviews·1 photo3 years agoTransferring a CNA license between states is at least a 30 day process, which begins once they receive your paperwork. Seems a little bit arbitrary and drawn out. Things like this are why there is a worker shortage in the nursing field.

Susana Royce6 reviews2 years ago website states working hours 8-5, had to hang up when I first called then tried again, I have been trying to get a hold of somebody since 8am, now it is noon. I have been on hold for almost 2 hours, I was already getting a headache from them .

Everyone of you should write to the Gov with CC to stop the madness Clean house .

ROBERT ELLIS AZ Board of Nursing

BSIT , or should stand for BULL SHITTER I TOO. This big black dude is listed as IT dept but has been doing bouncing while on duty . Doubles as a bouncer. This is a trick that hospitals use bring in a big DO WHO , tall and big but no brains big dummies what we call them . Bruiser, bully what ever you call this type. At work they are called to turn patients or pick them up cause of their size. The smart ones say get a hoyer lift. And the smart ones will not bow to the dirty director , and harass the public . They would say, what are the security guards for and refuse . No matter how full the tip jar got . Jokey will pay big bucks at this point , she got her tits in the wringer and is facing the music. “if you want to lead the band you got to face the music ” Only Robert Ellis boss is using him , big dummy that he is, will do ANYTHING at the BON. And Jokey doesn’t know how to lead with integrity she only knows how to intimidate , via using others to do her dirty work . That is where dutiful Robert comes in .

Ellis is too stupid to not question this manipulator , and Jokey thinks her hands are clean but using others . In person or on the phone this is how he operates. Here is a review of Jethro aka Robert Ellis , the over sized bully bouncing bookkeeper.

((I agree with all of the reviews that state that the Arizona Board of Nursing doesn’t answer their phones in a reasonable amount of time. My wife is a nurse for a clinic in Arizona, and we renewed her license online only to find out that we couldn’t print it because our printer was down. Apparently this is a one-time only event, and if you don’t print it then, you can’t print it later (a flaw that should be corrected by their I.T. employees). She needed a copy to show her supervisor that she has a current license, so I told her to call the Board. She did, only to be left on hold indefinitely and had to hang up to attend to her patients. I told her that I would call for her the next day.
When I called, I was put on hold for almost 30 minutes before someone answered the phone. I told her the story about my wife needing a printable license. She asked me if my wife was available, to which I stated that she was at work and doesn’t have the time to wait on hold. She stated that “unfortunately we wouldn’t be able to…” and knowing what she was going to say, I cut her off and stated “I need to talk to somebody who can answer this question because she doesn’t have the time to be f****ng with you guys.” She stated “Oh, so if, we won’t be able to continue this conversation with you speaking with me in that way!” These are all direct quotes; I recorded the conversation as well as the Board of Nursing who also recorded this conversation. I then asked to speak with a supervisor who will talk to me.
A little over two minutes later, a supervisor came on the phone and I asked for his name. He replied “Robert” (he later stated that he was the Assistant Director of Operations). I explained the situation just like I did with the initial employee. After we talked for a couple of minutes, we got the situation resolved. He then proceeded to scold me by stating, and again, this is a direct quote from my recording: “We will not tolerate swearing and talking down to our employees. We have a very strict policy about what we can and will and will not provide. You are not [wife’s name], so I will go out of my way to make sure we send something out, OK but we will, I will not tolerate that conduct, and don’t call back here talking to my employees like that again, are we clear?” I pressed him on why they take so long to answer the phone, at which time he stated “are, are we clear?” I attempted to inform him that they only received a 2 out of 5 rating and was going to explain about the long wait times, but he then continued with “OK Sir, thank you very much for your day, OK. We’ll get the license sent out to you, OK? Thanks!” He then hung up on me.
Yes, I dropped the F-bomb, and judge me if you want, but remember I was calling on behalf of my wife who works clinic hours (the same time that the Board of Nursing is open) and I was put on hold for almost 30 minutes. To add insult to injury, the initial employee who I spoke with would only talk to my wife, who again was at work. I understand that they do this for privacy reason, but they can prevent this by answering their phones in a reasonable amount of time, i.e. less than 10 minutes. Then I got scolded by a supervisor in a very rude manner! I wish that whoever oversees the Board of Nursing reads these reviews and takes action, just like the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs.

NOTICE : Robert ELLIS is not a supervisor but a ASSociate dir, so he can make the big bucks , his department is not answering the phone, but using his sharp tongue to attack anyone who goes against any incompetent member of the BON. No matter how rude , incompetent, lazy they are . Jokey Ridenour is running this outfit , (to the ground ! ) instead of making corrections she uses morons like Robert to mouth off to the public . Guess she got the idea from lying lawyer .

Don’t believe a word they tell you about how fast they answer the phone, they lie about everything !

C.ANDREW CAMPBELL

In one state he is “C” in anther he is CHAD .

This is the one married to ELIZABETH A CAMPBELL . She is a horrible individual who will prosecute anyone , and if there is a case or not . She will manufacture one .

Why are we telling you this ? Well birds of a feather tend to flock together and are ‘like thinkers’ . Just be aware .

Campbell has done some pretty shady things, take the time she was in the small one sided corrupt judges (alj’s ) court , and was bringing up everything known to man that was unrelated . Who let’s this bimbo get away with this . Well she upset the NP, so they decided to have hearing another day. So she comes waltzing in looking as disheveled as usual , with her gang of bullies , ready for round two. Then she gets a surprise, witnesses ! So she is pissed and her ugly face got worse, demanded her cohorts get in the hall way. Where is looks like she ‘called it off” . Dang , lost her FUN! Such a good plot , get him upset and the security guard will take him out and put that in her record as a WHOA moment . Only Bizarre Beth doesn’t tell you no need for a security guard and he wasn’t there the first time . But hey it is tax payers money , WHATEVER she can dream up , to intimidate and get others to act they way she wants !

Then a male from VA Campbell rushed the case to get it through so she wouldn’t have to have a lawyer on the other side. No one available over Christmas, Campbell saw her chance to push the case through. Anyone with 1/2 a brain would know these 3 women were lying there heads off ! This is where you got to watch this snakey Campbell , she knows their lying but doesn’ t care . ! Just please her board of nursing . E Z targets nurses are . Caring , not into legal technicalities. An attorney of many years, told the BON exactly what Ms lazy butt is about “too proud to admit it !” haha QHWHEEEE Bizarre Beth did not like that ! Truth hurts !

No one can live with someone and not be a ‘little ‘ bit like her , at least this is our opinion. And “C” or is it “CHAD ” or is it Andrew. , is with Industrial Commission. Another state employee , just putting time in to pick up a pay check and get a retirement . If he is like “beth ” then he has no conscience , he can do what she is doing and saw fair , due process ? , following their oath ?? Post here if you have had experience with that court and him.

Don’t think you would ever see these two opening an office and doing a days work, they are sucking off the state’s tit. Going through the motions of having hearings, pitiful. Yea no “husband and wife law ” team here “. Not the way Bizarre Beth has to have her way !.

Just like Bizarre Beth Campbell knows full well the investigators are liars at the BON, we are just guessing now, but thinks the MR Campbell knows what she does is underhanded as well . Does this reflect on Mr Campbell what his wife does ? Well , according to Elizabeth “Bizarre ” Beth, all family members are the same. And they are the only ones who know what is really going on , even if they do not stay in contact for years ! So does this apply ? Looks like it . Just ask Bizarre Beth .

EARLINE HEMMING {wicked one }

do not trust anything about this witch. She put false places where she lives all over the place. She impersonates another , and will do anything ANYTHING for a buck . Money hungry to the max. She’s really a Frances. through and through. Contact the author and we can fill you in on plenty. !

(oh and thank you for allowing me to use your site to warn others about this evil doer ! ) This is a public service message. God Bless.

Mark Brnovich Employee

ELIZABETH CAMPBELL , licensing

Many of the attorney’s would have BAR complaints but they have ‘connections” . Just like Hospitals and Bd of Nursing. Scratch each others backs . Should all be sitting in prison for a long time. Politics keeps them free to do the dirty work. Look at Elizabeth Campbell , another dirty dog. Sent formal notice, certified and regular mail to Jennifer Dursma in Tucson. Why did she do this? Well Dursma is a herion IV drug user, they must have scoured records to see who would not call the BD office and say WTH is this ? So they looked at the revoked cna, and said hey she ‘s a druggie lives in a crack house, let’s send it all to her ! (the papers that were to be sent out legally to the one who was being railroaded . ) IF a nurse made such a HUGE mistake, they would be before the BON ordered a psych eval, put on probation and revoked for not working while on probation. When the person who was SUPPOSE to get the notice , showed up they went into ILLEGAL EXE Session. Not for legal advise to tell lies to the new ones . Campbell is a dirty dog. An Atty called her on her sneaky unscrupulous ways, last board meeting . Of course the corrupt board of nursing, sticks by her, she is prosecuting good nurses for them. They only way these filthy underhanded can ‘win’ is by cheating . No wonder lawyers are scum of the earth , rare to find one who sticks up for justice . Rare , the rest will answer for their actions someday.

Brnovich plans on another gig, he might think about cleaning up his own house . Nurses are heros , bad time to ignore your pettifogger “Beth” Campbell , and her sneaky ways.

JOHN TELLIER

When are you going to start keeping an eye on Elizabeth Campbell. Over stepping every chance she gets . Pulling sneaky tricks into the mix. Taking licenses of good nurses ! Taking advantage of a new one comes along, they know nursing and do not know legal or how corrupt the system is and she takes advantage of that . SHAME ON her and everyone in BRNOVICH’s office . You can’t be that hard up to do shake downs of nurses who are accused with no evidence . None. Criminals have more rights.

Prosecuting when she knows there is no case. A nurse tells where the evidence is and to look at this . They do not want to see anything . What a life , being the head of the snake . If she was any good she’d go after Drs, who always hire lawyers .

But she isn’t just dirty wicked evil tricks. Corrupt as they come.

Carolyn McCormies is unfit to be on the AZBN !!

Hey students! Apparently McCormies does not think she is such a good instructor at Eastern College, or she would not be making degrading statements that she does.

A discussion about nurses who have finished nursing school and are cleared to give vaccine injections was the subject. These people in the past were able to go into a hospital and work for MONTHS before they got the results of there nclex test results. The test was by hand the results were months later . In the mean time they work fully as a RN and NOT just IM injections.

SO McCormies who says a lot of very stupid things. said “I’m just glad I am not getting a vaccine from them ” ! No kidding . She does not even trust her own students, or any new graduate nurse.

They could have exited out as LPN’s a year before , and given lots of shots , started IV”S , checked off in school , but they are not good enough for her ?

Too controlling , too punitive, unfair , harsh, inconsistent . Never should she ever be allowed to be in charge of a nursing department . Only in Safford a school run by BYU. Partial to the mormon nurses.

She used her position on the board of nursing to take down a co worker . It was Logue on the BON who said they all did the same thing, they should all be reprimanded . But Carolyn MCCormies , who had a target nurse she was after , had her little hissy fit and has sucked up to other board members that are now ‘friends’ and got her way. McCormies got downright in her face , and wanted HER WAY.

Another peer nursing instructor , said McCormies husband runs the house, so McCormies gets on a board so she can have power in some area of her life. SHAMEFUL !

Eastern College , keeping this biased , and unfair , impartial is not only hurting themselves but the mormon cult as well.

CINDY ROLLINS PRESCOTT

She is one of the psychologists who are on the ARIZONA BOARD OF NURSING list. We like to refer to “the list” as a “shit list “. Any Doc who is willing to do what any agency wants . Tricks nurses , np, cna’s by putting things in almost every report . “certain degree of suspicious” REALLY !!! Like a nurse is suppose to trust someone who ‘partnered ‘ agreed to be a referral with the Corrupt AZ BON ? The nurse who goes in and is honest will not do well.

Remember the nurse pays for the evaluation to prove to an out of control board who thinks everyone is a liar , that you do not have ___problem . And you are paying for these pricey evaluations to CYA the BON. You are also paying to give them more evidence , against yourself . It is also a way to take any money you have saved away for retirement or that needed vacation, and get you worrying about money . Forcing you to sign their consent agreement . You have a hard time finding a job, no one wants to take the chance on you. But you don’t want to lose you license so you can work in your field , that you obviously had a big interest in to invest in this future. Newsflash you most likely will lose your license anyways.

None of them care . They may say, ‘hate to order psych evaluation and find nothing and throw that money out the window” don’t believe it . There are enough callous individuals voting against you . All the while stating their excuse is ‘public safety ” . Emma Mamaluy told them to say that, and the ‘parrots” are very dutiful in that arena.

Why can’t you go to your own psych of your choosing ? well they can’t control them with money ! that’s why !

When you go , another surprise , there will be a paper that says, the ‘board ‘ investigator can contact Rollins . This conversation cannot be for YOUR advantage. This will be on the phone, no written record. And will you be on the line. oh NO !

Then when it is all over , like any real upfront honest doc, you request your records you will get them Request a copy from Rollins – DENIED !! You pay for it and Rollins DENIES you a copy .

We hope this helps someone who the board has ‘decided’ they need a psychological evaluation on . BTW this alone puts a stigma on the nurse. They have no interest in public safety , just finding something to put you on probation for and justify they are actually doing something.

NURSES AVOID ARIZONA ! !

The board is in control of your license, your future, your career, and your livelihood. Draconian board members are inconsistent , play favoritism and have no common sense .

Many cases of nurses , NP, CNA, who have worked for years in other states with no problems . On a back ground check some minor offense as a teen shows up . The other states license the person, they worked well , have excellent references . AZ will order psychological evaluations on almost every case. At the Nurses expense , (most states want a psych evaluation , the board pays). These can be extremely expensive . The AZ BON has a list of who you can go to , no one else . These psychs, are well versed , in ‘finding something ” , if they want to remain on “the list”. Just recommending counseling will mean PROBATION.

When the applicant finds out the hoops that AZ does , nothing like what they were used to in their home state. They decide not to work in AZ or do a travel assignment . They decide they want to withdraw their application . Seems simple enough. Not AZ harsh BON. They will DENY LICENSE ! In case you do not know what that means. In Short your entire LIFE is messed up , not only your nursing career , but any job , that you want to apply for or work in any other field you are barred from .

The general public does not know that a BON will act so punitively over some unrelated to nursing one time action . They look at it as you must have done something really bad to have a denial, have a license acted on . Word is out to nurses to avoid Arizona , they think about the sunshine in the winter, the hiking trails, the red rocks . Go on vacation , and have a good time but work in states that have strong unions and do not put up with a BON like the one in AZ.